[TMG] Debate, Not Degrade (Re: [TMG] fwd from nation blog)

Sun Sep 21 12:28:55 ICT 2008

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----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt" <nawanan.rama at gmail.com>
To: "Thai Mailing Group" <thai-l at thai-l.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: [TMG] Debate, Not Degrade (Re: [TMG] fwd from nation blog)


> =A2=CD=BA=A4=D8=B3=A4=C3=D1=BA
>=20
> =E0=CB=E7=B9=B4=E9=C7=C2=A4=C3=D1=BA=C7=E8=D2=A4=C7=D2=C1 =
"=E0=BB=E7=B9=A1=C5=D2=A7" (neutrality) =E0=BB=E7=B9 relative term
> =
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=E8=C5=D0=A4=B9 (subjective) =
=E1=B5=E8=B7=D5=E8=BC=C1=A1=C5=E8=D2=C7=C7=E8=D2 "in the middle" =
=A4=D7=CD
> "caught in the middle" =A4=D7=CD =
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=B7=D1=E9=A7=CA=CD=A7=BD=E8=D2=C2 =C1=D2=A1=A1=C7=E8=D2=A4=C3=D1=BA
> =AB=D6=E8=A7=E4=C1=E8=E4=B4=E9=B7=D3=E3=CB=E9=BC=C1 =
"=E0=BB=E7=B9=A1=C5=D2=A7" =
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> =
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=B9=D1=E9=B9 extreme (=E3=B9=A4=C7=D2=C1=E0=CB=E7=B9=BC=C1) =E1=C5=D0 =
rigid
> =
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=D7=B9=A2=CD=A7=B5=B9 (position) =E0=BB=E7=B9=B5=D1=C7=B5=D1=E9=A7 =
=C1=D2=A1=A1=C7=E8=D2=E0=CD=D2 mutual interest
> =A2=CD=A7=BB=C3=D0=E0=B7=C8=E0=BB=E7=B9=B5=D1=C7=B5=D1=E9=A7 =
(=A1=D3=C5=D1=A7=CD=E8=D2=B9=CB=B9=D1=A7=CA=D7=CD=E0=A1=E8=D2=E1=A1=E8=E1=
=B5=E8=C2=D1=A7=E0=BB=E7=B9=BB=D1=A8=A8=D8=BA=D1=B9 "Getting to Yes" =
=CD=C2=D9=E8=A4=C3=D1=BA:
> One of the principles of successful negotiation is to "focus on
> interests, not positions")
>=20
> =E3=B9 politics =
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=E9=B9=B0=D2=B9=A4=D7=CD
> compromise for the greater goods =A4=C3=D1=BA
> =
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> =
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=CD=D7=E8=B9 =E1=C5=D0=C3=D9=E9=A8=D1=A1 compromise =
(=E1=C5=D0=CB=C2=D8=B4 focus =B7=D5=E8 position
> =
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=E9=D2=E0=A2=E9=D2=CB=D2=A1=D1=B9=E4=B4=E9
>=20
> =E1=B9=E8=B9=CD=B9=C7=E8=D2 compromise =
=C2=E8=CD=C1=E4=C1=E8=E3=AA=E8=CA=D4=E8=A7=B7=D5=E8=E0=A2=E9=D2=B7=D2=A7=A2=
=CD=A7=E1=B5=E8=C5=D0=A4=B9=E0=CA=C1=CD=E4=BB =B4=D1=A7=B9=D1=E9=B9 =
=A4=B9=CA=E8=C7=B9=E3=CB=AD=E8=A8=D6=A7=E4=C1=E8=AA=CD=BA
> =
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=C1=D2=A1=A1=C7=E8=D2=B5=D1=C7=E0=C3=D2 (=CD=D1=B5=B5=D2) =
=E1=C5=D0=BC=C5=BB=C3=D0=E2=C2=AA=B9=EC=A2=CD=A7=E0=C3=D2 =A4=D7=CD
> =BC=C5=BB=C3=D0=E2=C2=AA=B9=EC=A2=CD=A7=CA=E8=C7=B9=C3=C7=C1 (public =
good) =A4=C3=D1=BA
>=20
> =B7=D5=E8=BC=C1=BE=D9=B4=B6=D6=A7 compromise =B9=D1=E9=B9 =
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=CD=C2=E8=D2=A7=E0=B4=D5=C2=C7 =
=E1=B5=E8=CB=C1=D2=C2=B6=D6=A7=B7=D8=A1=BD=E8=D2=C2
> =
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=B9 =
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=B7=C8=AA=D2=B5=D4
> =
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=B9=E0=C1=D7=CD=A7 =
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=A7
> =
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=BA=E9=D2=A7) =E3=B9=A2=B3=D0=E0=B4=D5=C2=C7=A1=D1=B9 =
=BE=D1=B9=B8=C1=D4=B5=C3
> =A1=E7=B5=E9=CD=A7=C2=CD=C1=C3=D1=BA=C7=E8=D2 =
=A1=D2=C3=A1=C3=D0=B7=D3=BA=D2=A7=CD=C2=E8=D2=A7=B9=D1=E9=B9 =
=BC=D4=B4=A1=AE=CB=C1=D2=C2 =
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 (=C2=E9=D3=A4=D3=C7=E8=D2 =C1=D5=CA=E8=C7=B9
> =CB=C3=D7=CD "contribute" =A4=C3=D1=BA =E4=C1=E8=E3=AA=E8 =
=E0=BB=E7=B9=CA=D2=E0=CB=B5=D8 =CB=C3=D7=CD "cause" =
=E4=C1=E8=A7=D1=E9=B9=E0=B4=D5=EB=C2=C7=A8=D0=E2=A8=C1=B5=D5=BC=C1=CD=D5=A1=
)
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=BB=C3=D0=E0=B7=C8=A4=C3=D1=BA
>=20
> =CA=D3=CB=C3=D1=BA argument =
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> =
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playing field)
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> Angkut Roongsaengjan wrote:
>> Respecting in others' opinions and positions is the key and I totally
>> respect that. I raised this point at least once here as well. I can =
feel
>> your uneasiness between the lines.
>> One thing that I need to advise about the standing point. Everybody, =
or
>> almost, thought that they are in the middle - having good judgment =
and
>> fair. But they find that some others put them to one side. There is
>> nobody standing in the middle. Other people don't need to accept =
that.
>> I just say, listen to every sides, read their minds then we can
>> distinguish inconsistencies and see their is just one truth that was
>> seen from different points of view.
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>> Have a nice day and peacefully see the world goes round.
>>=20
>> Nam
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>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt
>> <nawanan.rama at gmail.com <mailto:nawanan.rama at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>     Do you think it's really "their bad own ego wall" (referring to =
those in
>>     the middle)? Isn't it vice versa?
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>>     I usually hate to jump into the fight, especially when it's =
worthless
>>     and destructive rather than constructive. But I can't take one =
more
>>     blame anymore. People have freedom to think whatever they desire, =
but
>>     they have to RESPECT others' opinions and positions. That's the
>>     fundamentals of democracy. If you want to discuss something, =
please do
>>     it in a more academic and constructive way. I'd be happy to learn =
from
>>     different points of views, share what I think, and by this act of
>>     democracy, together contribute to our society. But I will not =
accept any
>>     blame that I (or anyone that isn't on your side, for that matter) =
is
>>     stupid, ego-centric, or plain wrong.
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>>     Note that I'm not touching on the stupidity, since bringing up =
the
>>     stupidity argument doesn't help no matter which side you're on.
>>=20
>>     An American presidential candidate once said, "There is no =
liberal
>>     America. There is no conservative American. There is, the United =
States
>>     of America." When will all Thais understand that we have more
>>     commonalities than differences and unite together and do =
something that
>>     really benefits Thailand. We're all Thais, after all. Come on, =
grow up
>>     intellectually.
>>=20
>>     Your reactions to my message above are welcome (but depending on =
the
>>     reactions received, this may be my first and last response).
>>=20
>>     Nawanan
>>     Man in the middle
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