[TMG] Debate, Not Degrade (Re: [TMG] fwd from nation blog)

[Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt]

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Angkut Roongsaengjan wrote:
> Respecting in others' opinions and positions is the key and I totally
> respect that. I raised this point at least once here as well. I can feel
> your uneasiness between the lines.
> One thing that I need to advise about the standing point. Everybody, or
> almost, thought that they are in the middle - having good judgment and
> fair. But they find that some others put them to one side. There is
> nobody standing in the middle. Other people don't need to accept that.
> I just say, listen to every sides, read their minds then we can
> distinguish inconsistencies and see their is just one truth that was
> seen from different points of view.
> 
> Have a nice day and peacefully see the world goes round.
> 
> Nam
> 
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt
> <nawanan.rama at gmail.com <mailto:nawanan.rama at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Do you think it's really "their bad own ego wall" (referring to those in
>     the middle)? Isn't it vice versa?
> 
>     I usually hate to jump into the fight, especially when it's worthless
>     and destructive rather than constructive. But I can't take one more
>     blame anymore. People have freedom to think whatever they desire, but
>     they have to RESPECT others' opinions and positions. That's the
>     fundamentals of democracy. If you want to discuss something, please do
>     it in a more academic and constructive way. I'd be happy to learn from
>     different points of views, share what I think, and by this act of
>     democracy, together contribute to our society. But I will not accept any
>     blame that I (or anyone that isn't on your side, for that matter) is
>     stupid, ego-centric, or plain wrong.
> 
>     Note that I'm not touching on the stupidity, since bringing up the
>     stupidity argument doesn't help no matter which side you're on.
> 
>     An American presidential candidate once said, "There is no liberal
>     America. There is no conservative American. There is, the United States
>     of America." When will all Thais understand that we have more
>     commonalities than differences and unite together and do something that
>     really benefits Thailand. We're all Thais, after all. Come on, grow up
>     intellectually.
> 
>     Your reactions to my message above are welcome (but depending on the
>     reactions received, this may be my first and last response).
> 
>     Nawanan
>     Man in the middle