[TMG] Re: Dr. IT

Wed Oct 22 05:10:36 ICT 2008

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt wrote:

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The same happen to KU satit KPS school. So far both my son and daughter 
did not know what they want to learn. This case happen to rajapat nakhon 
pathom school too. IMO: all schools in TH has this problem too.

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IMO: all schools in TH has this problem too.

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IMO: all schools in TH has this problem too.

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IMO: all students in TH has this problem too.

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I don't think so. This problem remain unchanged since 1963 at least.

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ALL families in TH still remain that perception and unchange since 1963.
Only last year #1 favorite tempolary change to laws school.

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555, The same happen to me. I am good at Physics but got A in biology 
instead and got F in calculus.

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So far, you got similar problems to me :)

Regards,
zxc555

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