solution for our country is stopping off-topic (Re: [TMG] Re:
Disrespecful
supat at supat.eu.org
supat at supat.eu.org
Tue Dec 2 04:08:58 ICT 2008
Dear nong Nawanan,
On my honest I did thank to you to blame me on using words you think that
it was not good to me. I really appriciated that. At your first blamming I
did not beleive that because I used word buffalo to honor person not to
degrade them. That is my previous mistake that Dr. Thanit told me.
When it has two good persons told me with good wish then I have to obey it
:)
I have evidence at prachatai to support my statements above.
At prachatai, I am very happy when they accused me to be buffalo and stop
attack PAD. I think that is my succeed to let them attack me which is
harmless to me. Instead off attacking PAD that harmful to TH.
It may be my fault in not realized that you making the branch from
original topic and that is the correct method to keep-on discussion on TMG
with full rightiousness.
The topic is now effcet of off-topic to TH solution so this is the right
place to explain my bad action to TMG.
I did already apologize to TMG earlier on that but with less explaination
because I think no one want to hear it.
If you stay for long time earlier you will see that at the beginning I
respect to K. Supit much. Because he is newbie unknow person.
The same happen to toxin. I support him at the beginning because I don't
know him and has good wish to everyone I don't know.
BUT at this moment I call K. supit = stupit and I am sure he did not angry
me because he get used to it.
I have to call him stupit and did call myself stupat because it was proven
both of us are unbeleivble abnormal crazy persons.
K. stupit post a lot of lie to us to promote toxin with lame reasons and
sure no one in TMG beleive him. While I am also post a lot of unbeleivable
truth to TMG that no one beleive it too.
I said it has post office (snail official mail) problem in KU but K.
stupit w/o knowing the truth accuse me that I tell a lie.
I don't blame him because what I said is unbeleivable truth.
Unbeleivable truth is today at 9.30 to 12.00 I have meeting in peace with
12 RED NPK staffs in KU. That is Unbeleivable truth.
Why?
Toxin gave 1 million bht fund to all village in TH to buy vote to TRT
party. At that time I made e-Village so I was invite to be a committee to
this fund until today. ALL members except me are NPK persons and hate PAD
much.
In the meeting today, it has one "look nee'" of this fund jion PAD at don
muang air port and all staffs look down him with bad words.
It can continue meeting in peace because I inhibit myself to say my egoism
out that we should "»Å´Ë¹Õé" to that good PAD. If I say so it wil have war
in meeting.
See, I follow the lord in not saying the truth out when prositute accuse
our lord made her pregnant.
The same happen to Dr. Theera in not saying the truth that it has virus in
TH orchid 20 years ago.
Reason I and Dr. Theera and our lord not say the truth at some bad
situation because we think globally.
In global, if we say some truth out it will harmful not useful.
Not say the truth in this situation is not a liar.
BUT say the truth out IMO is surely the LIAR.
THe meeting go smooth again because I stop to argue more after I say the
truth that it was our fault in not recording the loan but one member
refuse that it was her fault. To argue with her is useless.
I say that word out because I alway think I am wrong firstly when some
wrong happen. While most bad bots in KU did opposite to me.
Last time, it has 296 students sue KU for KU fault but bad staffs refuse
it and accused that 3-4 students official letters is not signed by their
advisors firstly and made 296 official records become illegal.
That is bad tricks of bad laws in KU.
My long explaination above is only to describe that I used words buffalo
in here because I know that K. stupit and most of us already get used to
my bad words. If I used TH words "¤ÇÒÂ" then it is surely rude in TH
custom. That is another reason I prefer using Eng words.
I want to explain more that I did not target to you about this topic.
I did not means you are as bad as gov in off-topic trick.
For you, I know that you are good persons and no reason to play tricks in
here because it was useless to you.
I only gave it as an example to indicate that gov use this trick to make
Th persons to forget the topic and forget the truth how bad gov is.
Now this topic become a very good topic in TMG to discuss more than
politics crisis.
Regards,
zxc555
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt wrote:
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> supat at supat.eu.org wrote:
>>
>> My analysis found that problem in TH at this moment happen because bad
>> gov use off-topic methods to let TH people that lack off analysis
>> ability become its slave and its victim.
>>
>> When gov did s/t wrong they always off-topic to be others person fault.
>>
>> For example: PAD go to air port. Gov shut down airport by itself but
>> accuse that PAD destroy TH 0.14 million million baht which is simply a
>> lie. but most TH persons cannot see that and think that gov was right
>> while PAD was wrong.
>>
>> They forget the topic is "gov must go out because it was illegal gov"
>> BUT most TH persons forget the original topic.
>>
>> The same happen here.
>> Original topic is scientific analysis to find out the truth.
>> BUT it was off-topic to be "buffalo" is rude word or not.
>> That is minor error that already ended and should not be off-topic for
>> so long.
>>
>> Regards,
>> zxc555
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, supat at supat.eu.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Because you said you are ROM at this moment.
>>> I hope you already read my reply earlier that explain every thing and
>>> did already apologized on his mis-understanding.
>>>
>>> Let me give more words.
>>>
>>> IMO: What he did is simply out off topic on a small hole of probability.
>>> My opponent at prachatai used word "á¶" that I don't know the meaning
>>> even I am Thais but he "à©ÅÂ" it means µÐầ in thai. For me it was
>>> out off topic and out off story. So I ignore to response more on that
>>> event.
>>>
>>> If he want to make benefit argument to our nation he should discuss
>>> creatively on analysing to find out the truth.
>>>
>>> The truth is solution for every thing.
>>> Off-topic ("á¶" or µÐầ) is not solution at all.
>>> And I am proud that a good monk this morning analysis got identical
>>> result to me. This is statistical scientific proof because he and I
>>> are independent observation but get identical surprizingly results
>>> that is unbeleivable but the truth.
>>>
>>> In my earlier using word buffalo I never means him.
>>> I don't know why he trouble with that respectful words and I did
>>> accept that it was my fault already that differ from normal people
>>> about wordings. In my honest "buffalo" is a positive good words.
>>> I just know from Dr. Thanit that it is not and respect to his decission.
>>>
>>> I think my different is a key solution why I succeed in making
>>> SSS/OLPC computer and was attacked badly from farang. While so far
>>> farang still cannot make the same I did 2 yeas ago.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> zxc555
>>>
>>>>
>
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