[TMG] Re: Disrespectful, Buffalo

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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008, Thanit Hasadsri wrote:

> ¹ÕèáËÅÐѤÃѺ
> ¡Ò÷Õè¤Ø³ËÁ͹ÃóãªéÀÒÉÒ Í¡
> ·ÓãËé¼Áµéͧ¶ÒÁÇèÒ ÁÕ¤ÇÒÁËÁÒÂÍÂèÒ§äÃ
> à¾ÃÒФÓÇèÒ Disrespectful á»ÅÇèÒ äÁèÊØÀÒ¾ ¡çä´é

I did not know Eng much. I used it because I cannot type fast in TH.
Up to this second, I think he means I did not respect to Aj Boonnart in 
saying that he is one of 14 million buffalo.
And I did explain on that already.

I do respect to Aj Boonnart in saying so.
If not respect I must call him a liar as I call phra Payom.
I am sure phra Payom is a liar because phra Payom know the truth but lie 
to harm PAD. That is huge sin that I cannot forgive him.
BUT in case Aj Boonnart he gave opinion on his own honest beleive but that 
is stupit beleive so that was identical to TH words buffalo and I did 
respect him much and he know that well I am sure.
To call him buffalo cannot means insulting him at all because I did on my 
good wish. If I call him on my bad intention then the sin will return me 
instead.

Any way, if Dr. Thanit said I used it wrong then because I respect him 
much and believe in his experiance so:

I apologize to Aj. Boonnart in using that word to him.

> ¼ÁÍèÒ¹àÁÅì¢Í§ Í.ÊؾѵÃì ·Õèãªé¤ÓÇèÒ buffalo
> ¼Á¡ç¤Ô´ÇèÒ ¤ÓÇèÒ buffalo ã¹·Õè¹Ñé¹ äÁèÊØÀÒ¾

I don't think buffalo is rude but to honor him to be speaking honest not a 
liar as phra payom did.
When prachatai call me buffalo I proud of that and never angry them but 
pity on them instead.

> áÅÐ äÁè¹èÒ¨Ðãªé

ok. if so, I will not used it to call honest persons any more.
I can see now that I see thing much different from most TMGer here.

Thank you to let me know that a lot of TMGer see it different from me.

> áµè¶éÒ Í.ÊؾѵÃì ¨Ðãªé ¡ç·ÓÍÐäÃäÁèä´é

Please blame me if I do any thing in-appropiate.
I an very patient and be happy to receive honest blaming to improve 
myself.

My best regards,
zxc555

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> --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt <nawanan.rama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt <nawanan.rama at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Disrespecful
>> To: aathanit at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "Thai Mailing Group" <thai-l at thai-l.net>
>> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 9:59 PM
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>> Thanit Hasadsri wrote:
>>> Disrespecful ¤Ó¹Õé
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>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt
>> <nawanan.rama at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Nawanan Theera-Ampornpunt
>> <nawanan.rama at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TMG] anon. person just said a
>> wonderful word that no one said it b 4
>>>> To: "Thai Mailing Group"
>> <thai-l at thai-l.net>
>>>> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 12:44 AM
>>>>
>> ¼Á¤Ô´ÇèÒ¼Áà¤Âàµ×͹äÇéã¹
>>>> ¡Á·.
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>>>> ÂéÓ ÍÂèҺѧÍÒ¨
>>>> ãªé¤Ó¾Ù´·Õè disrespectful
>>>>
>> áÅмÁàª×èÍÇèÒ¤ÓÇèÒ
>>>> buffalo
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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